tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post6595432960568826322..comments2024-03-12T07:00:44.143-04:00Comments on CHILDMYTHS: Putting "Nasty Tastes" in Child's Mouth: A Charming Idea, I'm ToldJean Mercerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-70319374076804932942014-09-10T13:13:38.555-04:002014-09-10T13:13:38.555-04:00Adam-- In the next few days, I am going to write a...Adam-- In the next few days, I am going to write a post addressing your comments.Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-16822446231391597982014-09-08T22:05:22.740-04:002014-09-08T22:05:22.740-04:00Since when is giving someone vinegar in any way hu...Since when is giving someone vinegar in any way hurting them. If you do your research you will see that vinegar has many healthy benefits to them. Giving it as a consequence is a deterrent. While I agree with spanking too, does this not hurt? The idea is not to hurt but to teach that for a bad choice comes a consequence. You may think that taking away a little tv time will do the trick but you have to consider the situation. Any kind of punishment is wrong if not done with love. If any of these are done out of anger then they are wrong. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-56268753998877403812012-03-25T20:22:08.672-04:002012-03-25T20:22:08.672-04:00Yes indeed, I meant the perception of the punisher...Yes indeed, I meant the perception of the punisher. Because spanking is less and less tolerated nowadays, to some hitting a child could be seen as an abuse while using nasty tasting things would be considered an acceptable method, even when more dangerous than a mere spanking.Aupair Info Girlhttp://www.contactaupair.com/infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-63711989732116033782012-03-25T10:39:38.617-04:002012-03-25T10:39:38.617-04:00Presumably aversion therapy begins with the same p...Presumably aversion therapy begins with the same pattern as punishment, and the child can avoid the unpleasant experience afterwards in the same way he can avoid being punished-- by not doing the unwanted action. The big difference with the nail-painting seems to be that no one needs to be directly involved in causing the experience at the time when it actually occurs, and therefore it doesn't make any difference whether anyone notices, or is too busy to act, or is just in the mood to cut the child a little slack. But some aversion therapies do involve monitoring and implementation by a human being.<br /><br />The difference between punishment and aversion therapy would probably be more obvious if we were talking about punishing someone for something he did NOT do.<br /><br />But I think your point about why these "nasty taste" methods are rewarding to the parent is very well taken. Probably no parent has been completely above a sense of inner satisfaction when they've told and told a child, "don't do that, you'll get hurt" and the child does it and gets slightly hurt! Tipping the chairs backward at the dinner table (until they fall over)is a case in point. Parents using anti-nail-biting stuff may feel the same, and as far as I know it's not really harmful. The use of Tabasco and so on is quite a different matter, is potentially harmful, and doesn't happen without the direct intervention of the adult, so it may take some self-argument of the kind you've outlined to make it seem all right to do this.Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-40639898275333631542012-03-24T18:21:23.659-04:002012-03-24T18:21:23.659-04:00I would say the two things are different. The idea...I would say the two things are different. The idea of the nasty taste on the nail is old-fashioned aversion therapy. The point is to make nail-biting no longer pleasurable. <br /><br />Regarding the matter of perception - presumably this is the perception of the punisher. The adult can pretend to themselves that they are not in fact assaulting the child because they are causing pain with substances that burn rather than striking a blow. From the childs point of view it may well feel even more intrusive and assaultative than a slap on the leg or something.Fainiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131427153204282840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-81609799417904248892012-03-23T19:46:47.943-04:002012-03-23T19:46:47.943-04:00By "a matter of perception", do you mean...By "a matter of perception", do you mean that there's no good reason to choose one over the other? I don't think that's quite true here, for the reasons I outlined in my post (and in previous posts about spanking).<br /><br />Also, are you saying that giving nasty tastes to stop nailbiting etc. is not punishment? Surely punishment is the administration of any noxious or painful experience following an unwanted behavior, with the purpose of reducing the frequency of that behavior? Nailbiting etc. are unwanted behaviors; the bitter paint gives an unpleasant experience; the goal is to reduce nailbiting. Are the two things then different?<br /><br />Or do you mean that in your opinion punishment is used for some other purpose? Or that punishment is in some way caused more directly by the adult? You may want to read more of what has been written on this subject.Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-41270077805764995562012-03-23T17:31:24.609-04:002012-03-23T17:31:24.609-04:00I thought nasty tasting things where used to preve...I thought nasty tasting things where used to prevent thumbsucking or biting nails, by being put on the children's fingers so they'd taste something they don't like and thus stop putting their fingers in their mouths... using that as a punishment is somewhat bizarre. Is perhaps this more "sophisticated" method chosen so the parent doesn't feel guilty about spanking? Because the article says "it’s a better tactic than hitting your child". So hitting a child=bad, putting soap in a child's mouth=acceptable. It seems like it might be really a matter of perception.Aupair Info Girlhttp://www.contactaupair.com/infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-2497601696058233642012-03-22T14:00:48.801-04:002012-03-22T14:00:48.801-04:00Let us not forget the "Hot Sauce Mom" wh...Let us not forget the "Hot Sauce Mom" who was convicted of child abuse.<br /><br />http://drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/6062/?id=6062&showID=1545<br /><br />http://www.inquisitr.com/136669/hot-sauce-mom-jail/LindaRosaRNhttp://www.scienceinmedicine.org/fellows/Rosa.htmlnoreply@blogger.com