tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post5314175560918543963..comments2024-03-12T07:00:44.143-04:00Comments on CHILDMYTHS: Doulas, Shamanism, and ShamJean Mercerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-30845083118879707432015-07-07T10:57:38.011-04:002015-07-07T10:57:38.011-04:00Thank you, Yulia-- this is all unfortunately so tr...Thank you, Yulia-- this is all unfortunately so true, and there is much more than money at stake.Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-70759642542460433712015-07-07T10:50:20.865-04:002015-07-07T10:50:20.865-04:00If only money! Unfortunately, in certain cases hea...If only money! Unfortunately, in certain cases health (of mothers and/or babies) and even life are lost. Such cases periodically happen among "home-birth" New agers in Russia, moreover they are only the "top of iceberg", many cases stay unknown, because the women victimized by these New age "doulas" (often escaping from their clients at the signs complications in labor, to avoid responsibilty) do not report on them. <br /><br />There is one more ugly thing practicized by these doulas. They use to frighten women by c-sections, the same way as with, e.g., the vaccination. For example, they influence in such a way young women, engaged in their commercial "parental centers" during pregnancy, with a good aim to prepare well herself for birth. <br /><br />Usually the women are naive and strongly get under their influence, not understanding the background, including the hawkish nature of these "natural birth trainers". <br /><br />If the woman herself was born by c-section they try to inspire her that her own mother did the "awful thing" for daughter's physical and mental health giving birth by c-section (though very often for medical reasons there simply could be another issue). <br /><br />In particular, by this tactics and other not decent ways they separate the woman from her close relatives, making the further manipulations more easy. <br /><br />This histeria arised by such "doulas" as regards the "dangers" and "harm" of "not natural" birth by c-cections somewhat remind the AT proponents with their claims of "fatal" influence of "birth" and "early ages" trauma and so on. <br /><br />I could observe these manipulations at the examples of certain young families, being unlucky to get into the hands of such New age "doulas". <br /><br />Fortunately, due to clever, careful and patient attitude of friends and relatives, understanding the harm of these sects, all these young families at last escaped from the dependence and influence of these "doulas" (though such home-birth sects know how to develop the strong dependence from them in vulnerable persons in the aim of their business). However, not revealing the details, I think it is enough to mention that both these families and their relatives (e.g.,parents) and close friends had to tolerate and survive a number of anxious moments, until the victims of "natural birth" sects at last manged to become free of their influence. The only good thing that now they are able to prevent others from making such mistakes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-79061519712838361902015-07-07T08:46:26.744-04:002015-07-07T08:46:26.744-04:00Hi Ginger-- I think the problem is with people wh...Hi Ginger-- I think the problem is with people who become so emotionally committed to these rituals that they don't give up when the effect is not what's wanted, or they refuse for ideological reasons to consider conventional treatments. And, of course, they lose their money on ineffective methods.Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-9293606412780656672015-07-06T19:34:46.124-04:002015-07-06T19:34:46.124-04:00I tried some of the advice on spinningbabies with ...I tried some of the advice on spinningbabies with my second baby who was breach. I was willing to try almost anything not harmful lol..I also had my doctor do a version which failed. Ultimately she was born via c-section because that was the safest option and I have no regrets. Since I wanted a VBAC with my baby #3 I considered a doula but decided she would irk me during my labor. I'm a pretty good self advocate. Anyway, I agree that society tends to move from one end of the spectrum to the other with the reasonable, logical ones in the middle constantly shaking their heads.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13004622498575966433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-5086211201076048352015-07-06T17:15:18.123-04:002015-07-06T17:15:18.123-04:00Thank you, Yulia!
[ I found this submitted four t...Thank you, Yulia!<br /><br />[ I found this submitted four times on the site, and I think they are all the same, so I am just posting one.]Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-33213759419620340822015-07-06T12:33:55.785-04:002015-07-06T12:33:55.785-04:00I also would like to mention the close link (appar...I also would like to mention the close link (apparently internationally) of this pro-shamanism "home birth" and "natural parenting" movements with anti-Vax movement. Both use the similar methods of psychological terror of their targets (usually the same, namely young families and mothers, including pregnant women, which may be especially vulnerable to manipulations). For example, in the so cold parental centers (clubs) and corresponding internet sites promulgating New age -linked "natural parenting" and "home birth" ideology there are spread materials aimed to deastically frighten pregnant women (and their husbands) about "horrors of official medicine", moreover the majority of this information could not been considered valid: the death of babies born at home are masked, and disadvantages of hospitals aggravated, not noticing the achieved progress. It is the same as do anti-vaxers as regards the effects of vaccines (their positive effects are hidden, while some rare negative cases strongly aggravated, the hard consequences of dangerous infections also not being discussed). At the same time it is evident that the most dangerous thing is to get under the influence of both sect-like movements, become dependent of their phobia, because it is very harmful for mental health. In this connection, it is also interesting that shaman "doula" movements usually are "anti-vax", and "anti-vax" movement usually promulgate the same "home-birth" ideology with official medicine and hospital-phobia, together with so called "alternative" (pseudoscience) New age medicine. At least in Russia it is so, but judging on "unity" between "shaman" doulas from different countries demonstrated at their international meeting (the last took place at June 2015 in Petersbourg: http://domrebenok.ru/shop/618/mezhdunarodnaya_konferentsiya_onlayn_uchastie/,http://www.domrebenok.ru/blog/category/conference/#tab-program-link) these movements are similar in all countries. One of the item of the programm of this recent conference, demonsrating its link to shamanism: "<br />14 of June 2015. <br />11:00 -13:00<br />The sacred feminine space of Amazonian tribe shapibo-kanibo - Ekatherina Ward<br />Grandmothers-Mothers and Duennas - assistants in childbirth. "Radiant Peace" and "Bitter Peace" - magnets for the birth. Birth of women through the power of the sacred plant. Sacred plants in the birth practice. Ikaros - female songs of force. The ritual "Duenna of sacred vessel asks to keep her treasures". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com