tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post8963820751412591817..comments2024-03-12T07:00:44.143-04:00Comments on CHILDMYTHS: "Taming Tiny Tigers", by Kali Miller: A Tale Told With TrepidationJean Mercerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-11512167991261131022015-04-27T19:50:55.340-04:002015-04-27T19:50:55.340-04:00This is really a terrifying list you're puttin...This is really a terrifying list you're putting together.Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-22213395809791931992015-04-26T19:37:47.548-04:002015-04-26T19:37:47.548-04:00The whole Trauma Mama Retreats motto (Beyond Traum...The whole Trauma Mama Retreats motto (Beyond Trauma and Attachment Retreats, now renamed momsfindhealing.com) has a motto based on a ptsd definition that doesn't exist Complex Trauma:<br />To support families who are raising children who have Complex Trauma and attachment issues by networking, offering support, and educating others.<br /><br /><br />It's now an official non-profit, run by Diana Estulin of fromsurvivaltoserenity.com -- a self-proclaimed trauma a mama with no credentials who charged other trauma mamas money to participate in her webinars!Suzannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-41791304327255495292015-04-15T13:04:04.599-04:002015-04-15T13:04:04.599-04:00This is all so discouraging and pitiful-- and you ...This is all so discouraging and pitiful-- and you know, very few health professionals of any type even know that it is going on.Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-13921481652225052432015-04-15T12:07:39.657-04:002015-04-15T12:07:39.657-04:00Another self-proclaimed trauma mama makes stuff up...Another self-proclaimed trauma mama makes stuff up about the RAD her adopted Russian girl allegedly has... a girl whom even she admits:<br />(1) had zip in the way of RAD 'symptoms' until she hit puberty at 13, i.e. DSMV requires diagnosis at ages way younger than 13<br />(2) has symptoms of mental illness<br />(3) also has FASD (might explain some of the impulsivity, emotional lability, etc)<br />(4) has been exiled to a variety of unlicensed, no-licensed-healthcare-professionals-on-staff 'crisis respite' and Montana 'ranches' for 'kids' for much of the past two or three years.<br /><br />If this kid was sent to an actual licensed healthcare provider, maybe she'd have a fighting chance at getting better. Exiling the kid to facilities where the kid will be treated with ONLY the supposed Word of Jesus... well, doesn't seem to work so well!<br /><br />http://the30dayjourneyforhope.blogspot.com/2015/04/reactive-attachment-disorder-colors-of.htmlSuzannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-8611025633705171632015-04-14T09:35:07.191-04:002015-04-14T09:35:07.191-04:00Well said-- it also reminds me of the habit, mayb...Well said-- it also reminds me of the habit, maybe not so common now as ten years ago, of calling children said to have Reactive Attachment Disorder "RADishes". As you say, these terms are dehumanizing and focus attention on some minor or even nonexistent aspect of the child, distracting from his or her full reality. This is like making the fundamental attribution error, in which everything a person does is attributed to his own basic character, rather than seen as possibly influenced by environment,past experience, etc. Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-56298270349437304132015-04-13T20:38:18.786-04:002015-04-13T20:38:18.786-04:00It always bothers me when people use cutsey demean...It always bothers me when people use cutsey demeaning phrases regarding children. "Tiny Tigers". . . It has a way of adding to the dehumanization of people just because they are young. Children aren't actually" tiny". Fleas and Fairies and Church Mice are "tiny". And children aren't tigers. They are human beings with the right to the full range of emotions that human beings have And most of all they aren't to be "tamed"!. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06808555575637215126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-48208449926633541832015-04-12T18:42:15.924-04:002015-04-12T18:42:15.924-04:00Interesting .... but if the bride does not like bu...Interesting .... but if the bride does not like buuschego husband? Attachments therapists will also be thinking that this bride is sick and it should be treated?<br />It is not necessary to answer. Just listen to this folk song if you have time.<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xJtTGPpePwAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216186566325024578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-38051328710668121022015-04-12T12:44:37.818-04:002015-04-12T12:44:37.818-04:00Fortunately all ended well for our expedition. Ast...Fortunately all ended well for our expedition. Astakhov very proud of these orphans. They won adult American and Chinese explorers.<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd2GWCiegi8Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216186566325024578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-22828761831708492292015-04-12T10:48:06.746-04:002015-04-12T10:48:06.746-04:00I don't think the inappropriate treatments chi...I don't think the inappropriate treatments children may receive in the U.S. and elsewhere are "experiments". They are mistaken choices by people committed to and alternative belief system-- people who do not feel that evidence of effectiveness is important. As for Astakhov's venture, he must have had some moments of panic and regret! But fortunately all was well in the end. Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-73731046835641045162015-04-12T09:38:23.069-04:002015-04-12T09:38:23.069-04:00Unfortunate children ........ Americans are experi...Unfortunate children ........ Americans are experimenting on them ... Russian decided to send them to the Arctic with Astakhov. Children certainly stand and do not even scared. They returned from the Arctic in a good mood and with a victory. But Astakhov older and grayer over the 2 weeks of travel to the North Pole. I understand that he wanted to prove that our children are capable of great feats . but Arctic .... it's overkill.<br />Return after the conquest of the North Pole.<br />http://img.rg.ru/i/gallery/3d0d1de2/6_1c815724.jpg<br />http://img2.ntv.ru/home/news/20140422/vvv.jpgAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216186566325024578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-36671023035586791102015-04-12T08:45:47.207-04:002015-04-12T08:45:47.207-04:00I'm sure you are not kidding, Mihail, but don&...I'm sure you are not kidding, Mihail, but don't forget your original idea that human beings are not animals.Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-30580529018321060752015-04-12T03:58:37.210-04:002015-04-12T03:58:37.210-04:00I am not kidding. Dog odorless is an object of con...I am not kidding. Dog odorless is an object of contempt among stray relatives. If the dog (even not large dog) get covered in stinking mud .... this dog becomes respected among dogs. You can check it out).<br />Even large aggressive dogs have the respect and admiration of smelly dog. Let attachment therapists use this natural method to create attachments and to teach children to respect :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216186566325024578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-9815147805836536582015-04-08T04:42:29.760-04:002015-04-08T04:42:29.760-04:00Of course such "treatment" and "edu...Of course such "treatment" and "education" is offensive and dangerous. Even if the home country of the children living in difficult conditions in the poor house and it does not give the right to torture these children in a beautiful house in a foster family. Even if these children have problems. Some stories of children in foster families can not be completely understood. 6 children from disadvantaged families Tulumovi were surprisingly friendly and had a very warm relationship. 3 older children stayed in Russia. 3 younger children went to the United States. 3 senior now grown up, graduated college and vocational school and live normally. 3 younger children 4 months in the United States have been hard as a result of re-education and one child died. What are guilty of these children? Maybe they were mentally retarded and aggressiveness? But we know that Victor 4 years learned to read. In the six years he was a born leader among peers. Younger twins did not have backlog and develop normally. What was the reason for abuse?<br />Gemini Vladimir and Yevgeny Tulimovy visited older twin brothers and sister in Russia in 2008.<br />http://www.gzt-sv.ru/cont/2014/03/2014031302-300x225.jpgAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216186566325024578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-55824111158696515692015-04-07T10:12:18.174-04:002015-04-07T10:12:18.174-04:00Pavlov different from psychiatrists of the time. H...Pavlov different from psychiatrists of the time. He does not duplicate them but suggest to a new method for studying the human psyche.<br />IP Pavlov abandoned the method of subjective psychology and embarked on an objective study of psychic phenomena. He suggested to combine all the resources of human, art, religion, literature, philosophy, history of science to study human psyche. In addition, he first suggested the use for the study of natural history - science with its strictly objective methods. "It was a challenge because the English physiologist Charles Sherrington, referring to the study of mental problems, said the mental, as the final after study researches Aristotle more than 2,000 years ago. Pavlov managed through the application of universal method of natural science - the experiment .......... begin the study of higher nervous activity. But who could then assume that psychiatrists will start experimenting on children? Pavlov tormented (experimenting) only dogs. But even from -this dogs he felt remorse . He put a monument to the dog in gratitude and partial atonement.<br />http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/prinss/_blogs/i-3606.jpg<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216186566325024578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-50930169306024074392015-04-06T13:33:48.026-04:002015-04-06T13:33:48.026-04:00Mihail, please see above for Robert's response...Mihail, please see above for Robert's response to your comments.Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-17394677044430890592015-04-06T13:23:28.178-04:002015-04-06T13:23:28.178-04:00Mihail, yes, it seems to me that in many species t...Mihail, yes, it seems to me that in many species there is an unconscious dance of dominance and submission, which typically ends in a more or less amicable equilibrium with little or no violence. If we were to speculate that this is also true of humans, and that children diagnosed with RAD do not give the "correct" dominance/submission responses, then I think what you're saying is that escalating the violence of the dominant person to force a sham submission is absurd and abusive. I agree!Robert Plamondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00242882972225758361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-53034641240796823942015-04-06T13:16:18.192-04:002015-04-06T13:16:18.192-04:00You would probably find Pavlov's work interest...You would probably find Pavlov's work interesting if you can get hold of it somewhere-- might even be on line. And of course he was good at measurement. But he wasn't the only one to be interested in quantitative approaches-- look at Galton and Helmholtz before him.<br /><br />Nevertheless, I have to point out that he confused definitions of reflexes in a way much more like the tautological popular discussions of the time than like any scientific approach even then. He had Hughlings Jackson and Sherrington to build on-- but actually I don't think he read English or traveled at all, so I suppose that for all practical purposes he didn't have them.Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-72228375025808074552015-04-06T12:47:09.360-04:002015-04-06T12:47:09.360-04:00Jean, I take it for granted that researchers will ...Jean, I take it for granted that researchers will extend their theories waaaaay to far, given half a chance. The thing that caught my attention about Pavlov was that he found a way of measuring response (the number of drops of saliva that fell from the dog's mouth) in an era where responses were not measurable, and he demonstrated that the response could be obtained arbitrarily through non-causal linkage (tone and feed), which demolished existing theories. In addition, he demonstrated that, if he usually used a middle-C tuning fork, a B-flat tuning fork would get a diminished response, simultaneously demonstrating that dogs have a good sense of pitch and that an imperfect stimulus gets a diminished response. Which is a very respectable body of work for its era -- and hints at more that I don't know about. Hence my regret at not having read his work.Robert Plamondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00242882972225758361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-85703480556238716602015-04-05T22:16:55.866-04:002015-04-05T22:16:55.866-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216186566325024578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-38897805110501142272015-04-05T21:51:33.724-04:002015-04-05T21:51:33.724-04:00"Reflex slavish obedience" not hardly co..."Reflex slavish obedience" not hardly contributes to the love and affection .. A well-known fact that puppies and small dogs often fall before the big dogs in the back. It is, giving of oneself to the will of the strongest, analogue of human cast on his knees. Deliberate passive posture is weak, leading to a drop in aggressive reaction of the strongest. Weak animal has the ability to retains the ability to survive and to demonstrate humility and even love. For example a weak dog licks muzzle and tail strong dog. Weak dog or puppy show love ....... but this is a hoax and a sham if the basis of this behavior is fear of getting hurt or lose a life.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216186566325024578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-28670699668839394252015-04-05T21:29:51.919-04:002015-04-05T21:29:51.919-04:00New York Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to ...New York Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children was originally the name of "American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals". They have created a society to protect animals but then realized that children no less than animals in need of protection. Already in the early 1870's eight-year girl Mary Ellen Wilson turned in a society where said to be suffering from cruelty adoptive parents. Lawyer of the Company for the court said that like animals, children need to be protected. At the trial it was proved that the girl almost daily flogged and beaten, she slept on the floor, etc.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216186566325024578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-67622775217993529452015-04-05T21:11:25.425-04:002015-04-05T21:11:25.425-04:00Yup. Pavlov introduced in the scientific school, t...Yup. Pavlov introduced in the scientific school, the term "reflex of slavery" but he also coined the term "freedom reflex".<br />Freedom reflex is a common property, a common reaction of animals, one of the most important innate reflexes. If this reflex is absent then every obstacle in the way of animal facilitated the death of the animal. All animals are deprived of their liberty, seeking to be released, especially wild animals.<br />I think that the systematic study of innate reactions animal fund will immensely contribute to the understanding of people and development of the children's personal ability to self-government.<br /> But understanding the innate responses of the animal does not mean to identify children with animals.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216186566325024578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-15551138411413290892015-04-05T19:46:54.144-04:002015-04-05T19:46:54.144-04:00I think it is impossible to rely on reflexes and i...I think it is impossible to rely on reflexes and instincts in the upbringing of children. Sensory also can not be the uniqueness of the incentive for the development and education of children. Must be an integrated approach that eliminates abuse. People can overcome their desires and act against pain or hunger. The older the child .. the more difficult to influence it via encouragements meal or corporal punishment. It is no accident in Russia, there is an ancient tradition to teach the children: "If the enemy gave you candy ... you throw and forget it."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216186566325024578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-61988223887395188592015-04-05T09:53:49.047-04:002015-04-05T09:53:49.047-04:00About Pavlov: I don't think there was so much ...About Pavlov: I don't think there was so much subtlety there. He collected a lot of useful information about classical conditioning, a form of learning that requires the initial existence of a reflex response (i.e., not a learned response). But then he decided that everything about human beings could be explained that way, so there must be some reflex that would be behind each kind of human behavior. How does a "reflex of slavery" grab you? His two volumes on conditioned reflexes list this and a lot of other reflexes that nobody had invented before. Pavlov was a gastroenterologist by training, and good at that-- his difficulty, and the difficulty of his followers, is that no single-factor theory is going to be adequate to explain complex behavior.<br /><br />As for the forceful gaze of hypnosis, let me point out that mesmerism originally involved touching the patient. When in Victoria's day it became a theatrical performance as well as a treatment, it was considered not at all the thing for a male hypnotist to touch a lady patient, especially in public, so the touching changed into "magic passes", and the gaze was deployed as a good way to focus the patient's attention.<br /><br />With respect to metaphors-- there is an American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children-- I propose a similar one to combat the Abuse of Analogies! This would prove beneficial to children, too.Jean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619393019771381980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2743746633913926150.post-12536508020876687512015-04-04T21:40:48.471-04:002015-04-04T21:40:48.471-04:00Jean, I keep kicking myself that I haven't rea...Jean, I keep kicking myself that I haven't read any of Pavlov's work, because the bits and pieces I've heard imply that his work is much more subtle and interesting than most people realize. Re children as animals, we should all be careful with our metaphors! One thing I find annoying about theories of therapy is that someone will utter a tautology (children are animals, as opposed to being, say, plants or rocks) and somehow manage to draw conclusions from it. I personally have no problem with the idea that there's a gulf between theory and practice: life's like that. I just prefer my gulf's to be gulfs, and not papered over with whatever theory comes to mind. Same with eye contact. The old "forceful gaze" concept of 19th century hypnosis works pretty well, I'm told, but I'm sure it's never been studied much. The "Clever Hans" effect is always a possibility. I think I see the point with training actual tigers: putting on a good show requires that they seem angry and barely under control, and the most straightforward way is for them to be angry and barely under control! Not a concept I'd apply to children, though. Especially when working through intermediaries. God help the untrained animal trainer, and the animals.Robert Plamondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00242882972225758361noreply@blogger.com